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2016-02-18 at 08:48 #111x@pcarter
RPM Electronics has offered the following deal (all taxes included in prices)
DR650GW-2CH installed: Regular Price: $ 683
5 members: $650
10 members: $616
The dashcams by themselves are on sale for $ 504.
If you are interested in the group buy, please contact Paul Carter. Once we reach a group of 5 or 10 we can arrange the buy with RPM.
2016-02-19 at 15:10 #130Dan Bowditch@dbowditch
I bought a brand new DR650GW-2CH on eBay for CAD $380 about 3 months ago but haven’t installed it yet. I will talk to RPM to see if they will install it for me. Thanks for the info.
2016-02-19 at 15:24 #131x@pcarter
@Dan: That was a good deal you got! Prices seem a lot higher now that the exchange rate is so poor from what I can see.
2016-02-19 at 18:52 #136Dan Bowditch@dbowditch
@Paul: I lucked out for once. The guy selling it was from Whistler and I was the only bidder when it closed at his starting price. I think he had bought a few in a bulk deal and that was the last one he was trying to sell.
2016-02-19 at 19:53 #138Paul Carter@paul-carter
This is very tempting… I’ll watch to see how much interest you get and perhaps I’ll allow peer pressure to do its thing!
2016-02-20 at 20:59 #141Chris Babcock@cbabcock
Hello, definitely interested in the group buy
2016-03-14 at 23:14 #243Hugo Wong@hwong
Put me down for one too.
2016-03-15 at 00:18 #247Stephen Chow@schow
If we can get ten that would be great. Put me in for both my Model S’s. I’m assuming they tap into the rearview mirror for a 12V power supply. I’m tired of charging my batteries and changing them out of my GoPros.
2016-03-15 at 09:09 #248Ken Neave@kneave
I purchased/installed a Blackvue 650 over a year ago, so I don’t need one. But if anyone is interested in doing a self-install and would like any thoughts or assistance, I’d be happy to lend a hand.
I used the installation notes from the TMC forum (which I copied and pasted into a MS word file), then made a few small modifications to the procedure to minimize the amount of cutting/drilling needed.
2016-03-15 at 10:51 #260Paul Carter@paul-carter
Ken, do you have a pano roof? And curious, did you find power at the mirror or hide a cable from elsewhere?
2016-03-15 at 12:19 #263Ken Neave@kneave
Yes, pano roof. Which makes the cable routing to the rear waaaaay easier!
I bought a cable from amazon to plug into the CAN bus port. Lopped one end off the cable and tapped into the 12VDC and ground from there. Also, I got the kit with power magic pro box, which I attached underneath the cubby. I was pretty much able to get all cable routing done without any cutting or drilling save one hole at the rear hatch.
FYI, the 650 2 channel with 16 GB media and power magic is on sale right now at blackboxmycar for $449.99.
2016-03-15 at 12:39 #264Paul Carter@paul-carter
Interesting. Where did you intercept the CAN bus? Down in the center cubby area? I assume that the power on the CAN bus is live all the time, thus the power magic pro box?
The power magic box makes me wonder how you configured the cutoff. In an ICE, the voltage jumps from 12 volts to 13.5 or 14 when the engine is running. Does the Tesla 12 volt circuit jump up when the car is powered on as well? Or are you configuring it to shut things down when the small 12 volt battery starts to show serious discharge?
I assume your camera is powered down when the car is parked, therefore you wouldn’t catch a hit and run while parked for instance.
2016-03-15 at 13:21 #266Ken Neave@kneave
There’a a CAN bus port on the side, just above where the dead pedal for driver’s left foot. I just bought a cable with connectors. These are hard to find!! Had to order from some Chinese company – something like 6 weeks delivery. So with this setup, it is quite literally plugged into the car.
For the PMP, there are actually two cutoff modes that work in parallel – one based on battery voltage, ie., if voltage is below 11.8 or 12.0 volts (selectable), the PMP cuts power to the camera. The second cutoff is time-based, using one of 8 selectable running times until shutoff. I think I set mine to 24 hours. This second mode means you need a direct battery power connection as well as an accessory “swtiched” source, which I tapped from the USB/accessory plug power.
From what I measured, battery voltage stays above 12 volts when the car is off, so it would only decay below 12.0 if the little accessory battery is dying (and not getting a recharge from the main battery).
So the answer is … I do get continuous recording after car is off for up to 24 hours. This covers most of my own parking scenarios!
2016-03-15 at 14:09 #269Paul Carter@paul-carter
So if I understand this correctly, you have a cable running from the dead pedal area across to the cubby. The cubby (or just under) has the PMP unit. A voltage detect wire also runs to the PMP, but from the console USB area (are you using a USB plug or did you go in behind and tap in directly?).
From the PMP you route the power cable up to the rearview mirror area and the main camera unit (the hardest part?). The rear camera presumably runs above the headliner around the edge of the pano roof and meets the main unit at the mirror. Is that about right?
So all in all, what sort of skill level would you say is needed to do this and – at the risk of being insulting 😉 – did it come out looking clean and invisible? I don’t know exactly how the installation method Paul has lined up would compare, but I’m curious as it sounds like you’ve added some features that might be worth considering.
2016-03-15 at 16:01 #273Ken Neave@kneave
Generally, the routing you describe is correct. I tapped into the switched power feed to the USB and accessory plugs, which is under the plastic that covers the center console area. The power cable from the CAN plug to the center console is “visible”, but hung underneath the dash area so you’d have to stick your head under the steering wheel to actually see it.
Coax cable from the PMP to the front camera runs back into that area behind the touch screen, over to passenger side, and up to A-pillar all hidden in the available housings. All the plastic housings around the floor, console and yacht floor are super easy to remove without risk of breaking plastic or clips.
In order to avoid drilling, I left a tiny (less than 6″) length of the coax visible from the extreme right of the dash before it runs into the A-pillar cover. This is so close to invisible that you have to know it’s there and really look for it to see it. It’s a black cable tucked into a small seam between two black plastic dash sections. Once into the A-pillar, it’s a fairly easy run through to the mirror housing. It was a bit tough to pull the mirror housing off – I did crack one clip but it fits back together with no looseness or loss of function (lesson learned – gentle gentle gentle with these bits!). The main thing with running along the A-pillar (VERY IMPORTANT) is to be absolutely sure that the new cable does not interfere with the airbag’s deployment path.
The coax run to the rear was pretty easy, except for the part where you need to run through the gromment/flex tube between the rear hatch frame and the hatch. Verrrrrry tight fit, but with a lot of patience it does get through. I did drill one hole at the hatch, as it would have been very difficult without doing so.
As to skill level, I’d say that if you understand basic electrical circuits and have a lot of patience to do it neatly and fish the cables through the tough spots, it’s not that tough. There are two sections where cable runs very close to airbags, so very important to have a sense of how they deploy so that your cable does not interfere with them.
2016-03-15 at 22:08 #284Paul Carter@paul-carter
Thanks for that Ken. I think I could manage it from the sound of things. I tend to underestimate my abilities when it comes to messing with with stuff that could be costly to fix. It sounds like I’ve done tougher projects, actually. Sometime let me tell you about working under the dash in an Alfa from Japan… plenty of wires, all labeled in Japanese, and ‘logically’ arranged by the Italians… the flexible circuit board for the instrument panel, with multiple trace breaks, was also a treat. LOL
Paul, do you have any idea whether the installer you’ve got lined up would be doing the work in essentially the same manner? I’m wondering if there would be interest to have a group ‘install-fest’ to do the work ourselves… especially if Ken or someone with the experience would be available to provide some guidance? I don’t really mean to volunteer Ken for the project! But wonder if it’s a simple enough project to get people together for some cooperation and club bonding… just a thought. The ‘bonding’ could also be done in the parking lot at the dashcam installer while their guys do all the work! 😉
2016-03-18 at 16:13 #295Soolim Co@sco
I am interested on the group buy for the Blackvue DR650GW 2 ch version 2 that includes the cloud storage. Hopefully we get the 5x or 10x by end of March. If not, I would go solo.
2016-03-18 at 19:36 #296x@pcarter
FYI. This dashcam went on sale at Best Buy for 419.99 + tax. It comes with a power magic pro (which you don’t need).
2016-03-18 at 22:24 #297Hugo Wong@hwong
How much does RPM charge for just installation? seems cheaper to just buy at Best Buy and bring in for installation. I wonder if they’ve done any other Teslas besides Paul’s.
2016-03-19 at 18:32 #298Paul Carter@paul-carter
That’s a good price for sure. As Hugo questioned, I wonder what a typical install goes for. I’m tempted to pick one up at that price.
Paul, you don’t sound interested in the power magic pro, although it sounds like it could be useful. What is your thinking on that? For me, the trick is getting connected to the CAN bus power with an adapter, which could be challenging based on comments up thread about adapter availability. Price seems good even with the unit though, so no down side if the PMP doesn’t get used.
Makes me wonder in an install-fest might be a good alternative idea.
2016-03-20 at 07:17 #303Soolim Co@sco
I intent to install using the 12V connector behind the mic panel, therefore no PMP for me. I agree with Paul that PMP is not needed by S because the 12V battery is maintained by the main battery. When the small battery charge drops, it will be replenished from the main battery, hence PMP is not needed for S. It just adds clutter to a clean car.
2016-03-20 at 15:47 #304Paul Carter@paul-carter
I’ve got one reserved at my local Best Buy… will pick up later. I can return it in a few days if I lose the drive to do the install myself.
I’m not 100% sure yet whether the added clutter to the mirror area is justified by the dashcam functionality. I’m not stuck in bumper to bumper rush hours around here… but travelling into the US might justify it.
I wonder if RPM would do install of owner-supplied units…
2016-03-21 at 07:15 #306x@pcarter
Yes RPM will install if you bring your own. I believe its $160+tax for the install.
Ideally using the power from the mic or from the glovebox is the simplest and less intrusive.
Soolim is correct, PMP is not needed as the 12V is maintained by the main battery pack.
2016-03-21 at 11:48 #310Ken Neave@kneave
Just a thought about the Best Buy version – their website does not say what size of MicroSD chip is included (if at all). You might have to factor in that extra cost. FYI, I got the 64GB SD included with my 2-channel. It stores about one day of video at the highest quality setting.
Paul – True, the PMP is not really necessary for the MS, but I got it with the package I ordered and installed it, figuring it would be nice just for shutting the cam down if parked for long periods, eg. vacation.
I looked into the “over the cloud” version, as my camera’s hardware is recent enough that I can do the firmware upgrade to take advantage of this. As far as I could tell from my research, you need to have a wifi hotspot that the car can access in order to use this feature. So you would need to connect to a smartphone or some other web-connected data appliance. What I really had a hard time finding out (and still not sure of) is whether the camera will buffer video files on the local SD, then upload all buffered files when a wifi connection is available, eg., while parked at home.
2016-03-21 at 12:00 #312Hugo Wong@hwong
With the BestBuy price of 419.99$ (includes 16gb card see details and specs section of the listing) and 160$ installation from RPM plus applicable taxes, it comes out pretty close whether you do the group buy or buy from BestBuy and get them to install. The prices Paul quoted are tax in I believe.
2016-03-21 at 17:52 #313Hugo Wong@hwong
Taking a look at the BestBuy website again, looks like there is no included 16gb micro sd card. My apologies. Swore I saw it on there when I checked yesterday.
2016-03-22 at 09:13 #316Paul Carter@paul-carter
Since I can’t be sure I can get to the coast for the installation, I picked up the Best Buy bundle. I’ll let it sit on my desk for a few days before I crack the seal… until I’m sure I want to install it! I have plenty of microSD around for GoPro, cell phones and DSLR, so I’m not too concerned about it being included or not. The PDF manual infers that a microSD card is included though, so I’ll take a closer look at the box. Recording front and back in highest quality and frame rate is supposed to allow 3 hours on a 16 GB card. If I’m wanting to catch incidents rather than record my entire trip, this would be more than enough.
They consider the microSD card to be a ‘consumable’. The continuous recording must literally wear out the cards and regular replacement is recommended.
Looking at the PDF installation manual, the first thing that jumps out at me… “Do not operate unit while driving”. Hmmm. Sure hope they mean “do not play with the buttons when driving”… LOL
2016-03-22 at 21:19 #317Stephen Chow@schow
I made an appointment to drop off my S next weekend at RPM to get a Blackvue and a few other goodies installed. Found out an installer that works there now is one of my cousin’s friends who worked on two of my cars at Ralph’s.
2016-03-23 at 21:12 #319Dan Bowditch@dbowditch
@Stephen, did RPM indicate how long it takes to install the BlackVu 2CH? I have one that I will probably get them to install. Thx.
2016-03-23 at 21:18 #320Hugo Wong@hwong
When I asked they said 2 hours
2016-03-24 at 15:01 #321Paul Carter@paul-carter
Looked at the box I picked up at Best Buy… says 16 GB included. Sale ends today I believe.
2016-03-24 at 20:34 #322Stephen Chow@schow
I am not sure of the total price for just the blackvue install yet as I am getting a total price for installing the radar detector system and purchasing the camera from RPM as well. I’ll get the quote next week as my cousin’s friend has never overcharged me in the past.
2016-04-02 at 22:02 #334Soolim Co@sco
I am very pleased with the supply and installation service of Blackvue DR650GW 2Ch provided by RPM Electronics. Excellent customer service and great attention to detail in the install. The dashcam power was sourced from the mic panel spare 12V plug with a 2A fuse for added protection. Wire is very well hidden. No drilling in the rear trunk. RPM knows how to do a PRO job. My sincerely appreciation to George Yu (Lead installer and customer service manager) brother of David Yu (owner). Initial road videos and install photos below:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3e1l2x8a9qryg7n/P1010724.JPG?dl=0 Blackvue behind mirror overview
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7oj8yexx6wn4xeh/P1010702.JPG?dl=0 Blackvue behind mirror left hand view
https://www.dropbox.com/s/thayk15vr2vc1uo/P1010723.JPG?dl=0 Hidden wiring
https://www.dropbox.com/s/da1raubp5ttcl77/P1010715.JPG?dl=0 Front install overview
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6jvtp0kj5l8bbk0/P1010719.JPG?dl=0 Fuse tap on the 12V power behind mic panel
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ajjpoux5rhxuefs/P1010707.JPG?dl=0 Rear lift open for wiring
https://www.dropbox.com/s/prhm2noesreavwn/P1010725ss.jpg?dl=0 Two blue Model S being installed with Blackvue!
Front camera video https://www.dropbox.com/s/mps7jh5iqftgbwl/20160402_172014_EF.mp4?dl=0
Rear Camera video
2016-04-03 at 12:46 #338x@pcarter
Awesome thanks for the report Soolim! I knew we are in good hands with them.
Looks like we have enough interest in the group buy. Please confirm to me via email (email@example.com) so I can contact them.
2016-04-03 at 14:28 #340Dan Bowditch@dbowditch
@Paul, are you compiling 2 lists, one for purchase + install plus a second list for installs only? If only the former, I’ll get RPM to do my install soon so I don’t get in the way of group order. Thx.
2016-04-03 at 20:31 #341Stephen Chow@schow
Hey Soolim, nice to meet you in person and bump into you at RPM. Sorry I couldn’t stay and chat since my wife and kids were waiting for me. Glad the Blackvue install went well and I should be picking up my car from RPM next Saturday and dropping off our red Tesla for install of a Blackvue and radar detector/laser protection too.
2016-04-04 at 03:59 #347Soolim Co@sco
Nice to meet you too Stephen. Looks like RPM will get busy for the next few weeks!
2016-04-03 at 22:11 #342Paul Carter@paul-carter
Soolim, should I understand that the camera will power off with the car using the connection in the mic area?
I’d perhaps be interested in a group installation package as I’ve got the unit in my possession. But I might just do the install myself if the timing doesn’t work for me (being in Kamloops).
I’ve located a source for a CAN bus connector that I will likely use to connect to the port in the left dash area. If Tesla uses the connection in the cubby bin, I don’t want to monopolize that connection.
I might be asking you some more questions, Ken… 😉
2016-04-03 at 23:34 #343x@pcarter
Note: I got my power from the glove box light so I could have parking mode. Seamless install too.
2016-04-04 at 04:04 #348Soolim Co@sco
Hello Brock, I tapped into the mic panel with a separate 2 amp fuse keeping the receptacle for future use. The power is constant On, so Blackvue works in parking mode too.
As indicated by Paul, glove light can be another source, but I want to keep the wire as short as possible, leaving the cigarette lighter cord for spare when I reconnect a new plug to it.
2016-04-04 at 09:47 #350x@pcarter
FYI: Please go ahead and book yourself in for a dashcam at RPM. They are giving a discount to the Tesla Owners.
2016-04-16 at 21:23 #368Dan Bowditch@dbowditch
Had RPM install mine last weekend. Excellent install, very clean. $160 plus tax and took just under 2 hours ( I went for a long walk and bought my Compass card at Royal Oak station). Works like a charm. Goes into parking mode after 5 minutes or so and then only turns on when something moves close to the vehicle. No apparent impact on 12V battery and no chance of draining, especially as it’s constantly charged by the big battery.
2016-04-17 at 09:07 #369Kelvie Wong@kwong
Hello everyone, new member here; joined just to look into this dashcam install.
Mine took about 3 hours, because apparently in or Sept 2014 (pre-autopilot) car, they were unable to get power from both the rear view mirror, and the glove box, so they had to route the power from the frunk.
There really isn’t much to do in that area, but we ended up going to the event at the Nikkei Heritage centre, which was having an event then, but unfortunately it ended at 4 (we were done at 5).
It works great though!
Just a question, do any of you use the cloud functionality? There’s no wifi in our garage (we’re not sure if we’ll have it in our new garage either, as we live in a high rise), and it’s annoying having to access the camera directly using wifi on the app (as it disconnects the phone from the internet while it’s connected to the dashcam wifi!)
2016-04-17 at 09:20 #370Soolim Co@sco
I use blackvue cloud. You need to create an account and register your blackvue using the QR code of the camera. While I do not have hotspot in the car, I can still access it from my living room via a power line extender to my garage when I get home.
2016-12-16 at 12:43 #566Chris Norton@cnorton
8 months later are you all happy with your BlackVu Dashcams? I’m considering getting one and would like to know if there are any issues I should be aware of. Thanks!
2016-12-16 at 18:53 #567Dan Bowditch@dbowditch
I think I like mine. RPM installed one I already had purchased on eBay. I put a 64GB memory card in it and viewed the video a few times early on. I haven’t looked at it since but I’m assuming the previous several days of data will always be there should I ever need it.
I’ve never had any error messages and the light is always on, so I assume it’s recording. I think I’ll check to make sure it is still working sometime over the holidays. Thanks for the reminder.
2016-12-16 at 20:08 #568Hugo Wong@hwong
got mine installed by RPM with the group buy as well. No problems as of yet, works great. There were some concerns of it draining the 12v battery, but I have since had a servicing done and no issues.
2016-12-19 at 16:09 #569Chris Norton@cnorton
Thanks. I booked an installation for Dec.28th.
FYI, the new model is DR650S-2CH which is compatible with a 128GB micro sd card.
There is still a bit of a discount for Telsa owners if you ask.
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